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Your ideological characterizations are wrong (none / 0)

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Progresssive ---- her not him

Bring new voters-----her and him

Howard Dean ----Huh

Ground-up campaign ----he has run the tight centralized campaign and it will be more in the genreal

Rejection of lobbyists ----- a facade, a gimmick...so they bundle money for him

50-state strategy ----- in the general...you really think ...esp. if he takes federal money and no 527's ...no it won't happen  
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Establishing new coalitions ----so does she, Hispanics, unmarried women, and in certain swing states she brings young voters

Downballot as important as top-of-ballot ---- in Texas Obama voters were only thee for him, they didn't vote for downballot races while places she was strong, they did.  You see Democrats vote for Demcorats...Indepenents and Republicans who have only crossed over for the day don't care so much about the party

Unapologetically espousing progressive principles and taking with you the voters that will come your way ----this is either just wish fulfillment on your part, rationalization or bs.  Hillary not only talks more about being a progressive, she uses the word more and she used the word Democrat more.  Obama made his mark by dissing progressive infrastructure form parts of the abortion rights agenda to Reagan to blogs.....

Looking tough on national security by not voting with Republicans ----like what...he can't vote when he's conveniently not there to vote...there is

Lookiing beyond the social issue fights that have characterized politics lo these many years ---WTF does that mean...women who care about abortion and gay people fall in line and shut up while I ignore you and your concerns.

COLUMN 2

Bill Clinton --- Tom Daschle .... a man with the courage of a caterpillar.  Barack Obama is the 2008 version of Bill Clinton in 1992.

DLC Democrat --- that's actually where his policy positions really are

Mark Penn ---- okay you're right

Terry McAuliffe ----you mean the man who told Tim Russert from Jan 20, 2001 on that George bush ws illegitimate and Al gore won. No more partisan a Democrat is there than Terry McAuliffe. Tom Daschle just agreed with Timmeh.  Also the The man who got the DNC out of debt, built a huge warchest and built its own building.....

James Carville  ---- if he's for Obama you'll be grateful
Triangulation ----- you mean what Obama does as well

"big/swing state strategy" ---Obama is just a map changer not expander...it wil be much the same map as before

Top-down campaign ---Have you been reading the consolidation series in Open Left?....

Keep the old coalition alive at all costs and win back the Reagan "Dems" by magic pixie dust
establishment oriented ---- yes let's throw out working people..let's throw that part of the party and the people it represents upon the pyres

"the White House is all that matters" ----you are mischaracterizing her position

Trying to look tough on national security by voting with Republicans to invade other countries to prove your bone fides ---- Obama agrees with her on Iran....

And continuing the same squares/hippies proxy fights that have been taking place since the late 60's. ----yes let's throw boomers the way Eskimos used t treat their older members.

It is also  the height of ostrichism to think that these things are going away.  That fight comes from the other side....and the sexism that you are unaware of has defined her from the begginng of her time on the national stage.  Hillary was a target of the right because she was a exemplar of how far woman had come and could go.

So it was sexism from the begining...and it's sexism that distorted the view of her and it's sexism that continues when you ascribe all that's bad to her and don't begin to give her credit for what she has done and what she stands for....


by debcoop on Fri May 16, 2008 at 04:13:49 PM EST
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Your usual brilliant, courageous self, debcoop! (none / 0)

Spoon has been hard to read since he changed his focus several months ago.  I used to enjoy some of his postings but this one just proves that he is simply not paying attention...but he is talking anyway.  Sorry to see that.

But very happy to see you, again.   Thank you, from those  who haven't the heart, for splainin' it out for him so well.


by itsadryheat on Fri May 16, 2008 at 04:57:52 PM EST
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