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Is Obama a 'Sore Loser'

Yes: He Can't handle losing	30 votes - 48 %
No: West Virginia doesn't matter	32 votes - 51 %

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Re: Why is Obama a 'Sore Loser'? (2.00 / 14)

Um, you posted a video of Karl Rove giving analysis on a site dedicated to electing Democrats. And you praised his analysis.

by Pat Flatley on Fri May 16, 2008 at 10:19:20 AM EST

Re: Why is Obama a 'Sore Loser'? (2.00 / 0)

if you don't like Karl then think for yourself. Barack shows his discomfort and confusion when he doesn't win, and her perks up when he does get a win. His momentum is waning, and he isn't looking like a happy camper these days. He is consistent, anyone who votes for Hillary over him is either someone bent, or somehow irrelevant. HIs win now depends on ignoring the dem base and playing to the indies, the very ones who are also attracted to McCain. Good thing she'll take this to Denver, we need a nom who can clearly win, not one who depends on non-party voters. His plan to increase capital gains to income tax has lost him many already.

by anna shane on Fri May 16, 2008 at 11:33:08 AM EST
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How many times did Clinton not congratulate... (2.00 / 2)

Obama? More than ten. Where were you then? Why weren't you calling out her ungraciousness? (Oh and Obama congratulated her during the day and then let her have her victory).

John McCain wants you to be poor!

by nklein on Fri May 16, 2008 at 12:17:40 PM EST
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Obama flipped her the bird (none / 0)

after a tough debate. She congratulated him EVERY time.

by catfish1 on Fri May 16, 2008 at 02:44:39 PM EST
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Re: Obama flipped her the bird (none / 0)

tr'd for two false statements.

We should be able to deliver bottled hot water to dehydrated babies.

by Jess81 on Fri May 16, 2008 at 04:00:01 PM EST
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You missed (none / 0)

Look, watch the video and it's pretty obvious. He paused. He wiped off his shoulders and the bottom of his shoes.

The man is very thin-skinned, and immature. Let's hope he can grow up in time for Denver, November. A young petulant candidate will not look pretty attacking a 72-year-old war hero.

by catfish1 on Fri May 16, 2008 at 04:45:14 PM EST
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There's video evidence of two fingers... (none / 0)

Everyone else has laughed off this supposed controversy. We dealt with this prior to the Pennsylvania primary. Here is a video showing he used two fingers and scratched his face. This is silly. And any person who is not trying to cause controversy to promote a candidate recognizes that. The only reason you keep bringing it up is in an effort to goad people to overreact and drive away serious Clinton supporters from Obama.

You have a choice: you can engage in a serious discussion or you can try to stir up controversy. If you choose the latter, I assure that when Obama becomes the nominee you will be marginalized. There have been unfair negative attacks against Clinton, mostly by the media, but also by Obama supporters. And due to that many Obama supporters are making a serious effort to reach out to Clinton supporters. Your effort to create false controversies is an obvious attempt to deter that. I won't let you without pointing out the patheticness of your charge. Honestly whose acting like a child: Obama or you?

John McCain wants you to be poor!

by nklein on Fri May 16, 2008 at 05:05:01 PM EST
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Looks like one finger to me (none / 0)

But believe your lyin eyes.

LATimes called it a "one-fingered salute!"

Unity!

by catfish1 on Fri May 16, 2008 at 05:12:24 PM EST
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And as an L.A. resident... (none / 0)

I can tell you that the credibility of the L.A. times in this city has been in serious question for a couple of years now. But let's say that's a credible source, can you not see that other finger? Is it possible that people are cheering about what he said and not his gesture? At some point you have stop manufacturing controversies and deal with issues. This is life-and-death. People will die from the wars that McCain wants to fight and the only serious opponent that he is going to have is Barack Obama. So, you can scour the internet for false rumors or you can join our effort to end this massive failure of the Bush administration. It's up to you.

John McCain wants you to be poor!

by nklein on Fri May 16, 2008 at 06:23:33 PM EST
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Immaturity when faced with pressure (none / 0)

is indeed life-and-death. I am very worried about how Obama acts under pressure.

by catfish1 on Fri May 16, 2008 at 07:01:01 PM EST
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In the picture that the Obama supporters claim.. (2.00 / 0)

it 'proves' he had two fingers (you do see two fingers there) you also see the whole hall react because they SAW one finger.

How slick.

I think that Obama has remembered the tricks he probably learned in high school.. and the rhetorical techniques to look 'cool' to his youngish preferred audience.

But.... is it Presidential?

NO!

Universal healthcare IS a core Democratic value
Without a REAL committment to it, we WON'T win in November.

by architek on Fri May 16, 2008 at 07:14:27 PM EST
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Is it possible that they were reacting to... (none / 0)

the words he used? I know I liked that speech. I liked how he ridiculed the media for focusing on the inane, while dismissing the important issues. People have cheered at his events without any gestures. Possibly people, are listening to him and agreeing with him? Something like 17 million people.

John McCain wants you to be poor!

by nklein on Fri May 16, 2008 at 07:47:32 PM EST
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Re: Obama flipped her the bird (none / 0)

opinions are not false statements. This is the kind of high handed treatment I've come to expect from his supporters, and why anyone thought he'd sent any of you to charm school to learn how to be less offensive I have no idea. The rumor is clearly false. Please tr me whenever you have a differing opinion. Why not, it's suits you're style, bully bully.

by anna shane on Fri May 16, 2008 at 09:24:43 PM EST
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That is completely untrue... (none / 0)

There is video evidence showing two fingers. We dealt with this controversy a long time ago and only people who are still bringing it up are those who have expressed a profound desire to engage in intellectual dishonesty.

And she did not congratulate Obama after EVERY victory. She didn't after Wisconsin. She didn't do so after the Potomac primaries. She didn't after Mississippi. Neither she nor Bill Clinton congratulated Obama after SC, even though both of them had primetime speeches. She says that she called him and I'll believe her on that. But she did not congratulate him publicly.

As Walter Monyihan (a fierce advocate for Clinton's election as a Senator) said, we can be entitled to our own opinions, but not our own facts. I can give you links and other such evidence to prove you're being disengenious, but I don't think you're an honest broker, so I don't want to go to the effort.

John McCain wants you to be poor!

by nklein on Fri May 16, 2008 at 04:50:26 PM EST
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In the interviews during the next 18 hours she did (none / 0)

When it was not in the speeches it was in the tons of interviews she had in the following 18-34 hours.
When she had taped her interviews for the evening news casts the day after the West Virginia, Obama demanded that the networks all produce live feed coverage of his big rally in Michigan because he was going to have a big important surprise.

They did it and they bumped all of the post West Virginia interviews and coverage of the election to show Obama and Edwards making their speeches. Edwards, who had just spent three days in interviews talking about not making an endorsement and why it was so important for him not to do it. They trumped any time Hillary chose to mention Obama in a bunch of interviews instead of in a speech or personally on the phone.

If Obama is a lead pipe cinch and has for the last week or more been the 'presumptuous' nominee and Hillary is dead...why couldn't he show us that unity we hear so much about and the reaching across the divides and the welcoming Hillary supporters to help him win the general.

In politics people are always scurrying for advantage and we all know it ain't beanbag. But Obama is promising that he is different, has a different way of doing business and he also says he has won and is running against McCain and Clinton isn't in his view any more, but her voters had better be or else. And did I mention that he had won and it was over? What would it have hurt, then for the huge turnout in West Virginia, all of thos voters and his opponent who did so well to have a moment of coverage for the sake of the party and the general?

Why didn't we see the Edwards endorsement the next day or week or month? If he is the winner, how would it have hurt or helped if he had shiwn he was not a useless slogan and empty suit when it came to his lofty speeches. If he valued what he says he values it was a great opportunity to give folks a tiny example of those values in action. Just a tiny piece of evidence of his values...and his new politics...

by itsadryheat on Fri May 16, 2008 at 07:44:12 PM EST
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Re: How many times did Clinton not congratulate... (none / 0)

actually you're right.

but that was then and this is now - if its over - as you all say - wouldnt it be prudent to stop and try and bring others into the fold?

"Me Fail English? That's Unpossible." Ralph Wiggum

by canadian gal on Fri May 16, 2008 at 03:55:40 PM EST
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Which is why he congratulated her before... (none / 0)

the polls closed. It seems that people are just upset that he did not do it in primetime with a big speech. That seems to be the big point of contention and I don't see what the big concern is that he did not highlight he win in primetime.

John McCain wants you to be poor!

by nklein on Fri May 16, 2008 at 04:44:15 PM EST
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The Hillaryis44 rec'ing crew grows desparate. (2.00 / 2)

by dystopianfuturetoday on Fri May 16, 2008 at 01:27:02 PM EST
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Re: Why is Obama a 'Sore Loser'? (2.00 / 1)

Periodically, when he's feeling down....

by Montague on Fri May 16, 2008 at 02:30:21 PM EST
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I periodically do things and I'm a man... (none / 0)

Why are you jumping on a synonym of occasionally. Periodically is a commonly used word in the English language. Just because a woman has a period does not mean that the word only refers to that biological function. The great thing about the English language is that some words have mutiple meanings, which allows for great literature and so on. I use a period at the end of most of my sentences, does that mean that I'm insulting women with those sentences? Of course not. It seems like you're trying to drum up a false controversy just to get people riled up and further a divide. We can debate on serious topics or we can debate on the inane. I choose serious topics; how about you?

John McCain wants you to be poor!

by nklein on Fri May 16, 2008 at 05:12:07 PM EST
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Re: I periodically do things and I'm a man... (none / 0)

If you are going to claim that you only go the high road of choosing serious topics, then I recommend you not jump in with comments about who congratulated whom and how many times.

Me? I like to be snarky sometimes. I don't mind admitting it.

by Montague on Sat May 17, 2008 at 02:12:44 PM EST
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Re: Why is Obama a 'Sore Loser'? (2.00 / 10)

"Karl Rove" and "credible" don't belong in the same sentence.

Users who are excessively bashing the Democratic Party, or being Republican trolls, will be banned.

by Massadonious on Fri May 16, 2008 at 10:19:26 AM EST

Re: Why is Obama a 'Sore Loser'? (1.66 / 3)

Every analyst and every pundit believes that their comments are credible, otherwise they wouldn't be saying them. Although we may not agree with their analysis on most occassions, there are times when we can agree. It is time for some of you to wake up to reality, and stop complaining when someone posts things you don't like.

Steven Shaman Publisher Skywatch-Media News

by steve468 on Fri May 16, 2008 at 10:27:14 AM EST
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Re: Why is Obama a 'Sore Loser'? (2.00 / 7)

Clearly there's no chance that Karl Rove has an ulterior motive when he's giving "analysis" (read: concern-trolling) on Fox News.

by Pat Flatley on Fri May 16, 2008 at 10:28:34 AM EST
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The MSM is crowning Obama prematurely. (2.00 / 0)

given how close the two candidates are in popular votes.

Many feel that Hillary would be ahead in electoral votes which is what it would take to win in Nov.

So, she quite possibly would be by far the stronger candidate.

Universal healthcare IS a core Democratic value
Without a REAL committment to it, we WON'T win in November.

by architek on Fri May 16, 2008 at 10:29:47 AM EST
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Re: The MSM is crowning Obama prematurely. (2.00 / 1)

Now convert that feeling to delegates, and you'd be in the running for the nomination. The arguments are interesting and she can stay in until she's ready, but her staff are saying it's over.

by niksder on Fri May 16, 2008 at 10:36:18 AM EST
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no her staff is not saying that (none / 0)

at all.

For Obama it now becomes: Faith, hope and CHANGE! And the greatest of these is Change!

by TeresaInPa on Fri May 16, 2008 at 11:07:20 AM EST
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"many feel" (2.00 / 2)

riiiight. And "some say" that they're wrong.

Among states where either Democrat polls within 5-points head-to-head vs. McCain (aka "Swing States")...

Clinton does better in head-to-head polling in
Arkansas (6), Florida (27), Missouri (11), New Hampshire (4), Ohio (20), Pennsylvania (21), and West Virginia (5). That's 93 EVs.

Obama does better in Colorado (9), Connecticut (7), Hawaii (4), Iowa (7), Indiana (11), Maine (4), Michigan (17), Minnesota (10), North Dakota (3), New Mexico (5), Nevada (5), Oregon (7), Virginia (13), Washington (11), and Wisconsin (10). That's 123 EVs.

If you're willing to stay with facts rather than what "many feel," I'm happy to discuss the realities of their strengths in the electoral college, all day today and twice tomorrow.

by Rorgg on Fri May 16, 2008 at 10:48:45 AM EST
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Re: The MSM is crowning Obama prematurely. (2.00 / 1)

Maybe you could show me the part in the DNC rules that deals with the popular vote. Clinton said that it was a delegate battle. They could be wrong though. So how about a citation...

John McCain on social security.

by heresjohnny on Fri May 16, 2008 at 10:53:19 AM EST
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Re: The MSM is crowning Obama prematurely. (2.00 / 1)

seems there isn't a rule for that, seems that the state certification is what the party uses, no penalty clause there. Seems Howie kept that part quiet. Seems she's been ahead in the popular certified vote most of this, with the exception of the one week between SC and WV. Seems that nearly half of those who took this poll think WV doesn't matter. That will seem to the super's as an elitist and losing argument. Seems they might find out.

by anna shane on Fri May 16, 2008 at 11:37:20 AM EST
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Re: The MSM is crowning Obama prematurely. (2.00 / 1)

I'm sorry. A simple citation to the DNC rules that says it's a popular vote race would assist me greatly in this conversation.

John McCain on social security.

by heresjohnny on Fri May 16, 2008 at 12:00:30 PM EST
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Re: The MSM is crowning Obama prematurely. (none / 0)

Seems there aint one. ;)

Unseen, in the background, Fate was quietly slipping the lead into the boxing glove.

by fogiv on Fri May 16, 2008 at 02:01:10 PM EST
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Re: Why is Obama a 'Sore Loser'? (2.00 / 2)

Riiiight.

If Rove said this about Hillary, would he be as credible as you're making him out to be?

Users who are excessively bashing the Democratic Party, or being Republican trolls, will be banned.

by Massadonious on Fri May 16, 2008 at 10:33:32 AM EST
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Re: Why is Obama a 'Sore Loser'? (none / 0)

It is time for some of you to wake up to reality

Terrific comment coming from you, steve...I really do need more irony in my diet.

by Johnny Gentle Famous Crooner on Fri May 16, 2008 at 10:46:44 AM EST
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Re: Why is Obama a 'Sore Loser'? (2.00 / 1)

Irony builds strong muscles!

ÞÞÞ

by Mumphrey on Fri May 16, 2008 at 11:19:18 AM EST
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Re: Why is Obama a 'Sore Loser'? (none / 0)

Don't really agree with the post substantively, since analysts often have ulterior motives for what they say and there's an obvious one here (Republican lackey wants to undermine presumptive Democratic nominee), but this comment doesn't deserve to be troll rated. Uprated accordingly.

John McCain vows to overturn Roe

by soccerandpolitics on Fri May 16, 2008 at 01:50:34 PM EST
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Re: Why is Obama a 'Sore Loser'? (2.00 / 8)

If Obama turned apple juice into milk you would complain that it was 2% and not whole milk.

If you and Karl Rove think this is such a bad move then please tell us what horrible consequences Obama will suffer as a result?

Consider that everything which happens, happens justly, and if thou observest carefully, thou wilt find it to be so. -Marcus Aurelius

by Blue Neponset on Fri May 16, 2008 at 10:20:56 AM EST

um, losing? (none / 0)

would that be enough proof for you?

by 4justice on Fri May 16, 2008 at 10:48:54 AM EST
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Re: um, losing? (none / 0)

You really think Obama is going to lose the election because he didn't make a speech after the WV primary?

Consider that everything which happens, happens justly, and if thou observest carefully, thou wilt find it to be so. -Marcus Aurelius

by Blue Neponset on Fri May 16, 2008 at 11:27:01 AM EST
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Re: um, losing? (none / 0)

there are many reasons he may lose, but diss'ing voters can't help him and showing disrespect to the other one doesn't help either. There's a piece from ABC about how he funneled a public fortune to organizations that fund his run. He claims that she's in bed with special interests because she accepts their money but there has never been any quid pro quo. He says there must be, and now we maybe know why he thinks that way. Chicago Smack Down Indeed!

by anna shane on Fri May 16, 2008 at 11:43:45 AM EST
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Re: um, losing? (none / 0)

I'm sure that's what people will remember in November. He made a statement before but not after WV. What a cad!

John McCain on social security.

by heresjohnny on Fri May 16, 2008 at 12:01:23 PM EST
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Re: um, losing? (none / 0)

ABC also made a movie about 911 in which they blamed Bill Clinton. Do you believe that too??????

"In the primary you should vote with your heart, but in the general, you should vote with your head" Bill Clinton

by venician on Fri May 16, 2008 at 02:31:22 PM EST
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Re: Why is Obama a 'Sore Loser'? (2.00 / 11)

you are praising Karl Rove? here? seriously?

and you want to be identified as a HRC supporter?

Congratulations to Barack Obama, the presumptive Presumptive Democratic Nominee

by TruthMatters on Fri May 16, 2008 at 10:22:26 AM EST

Isn't Karl Rove about to be arrested?? (2.00 / 1)

If he doesn't comply with a subpoena to go to COngress. Sweet source. I think Big Foot is more credible.

Man this diary is giving desperation a bad name

Democrat for the democratic nominee

by KLRinLA on Fri May 16, 2008 at 01:42:00 PM EST
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Re: Why is Obama a 'Sore Loser'? (2.00 / 6)

This is just silly. Hillary has been pounded on time and time again for not only NOT congratulating Obama, but not even thanking her supporters in places she gets destroyed like North Carolina.

If this is indeed a gold standard to superdelegates, than it plausibly explains why they are only heading in one direction in greater and greater numbers.

by Reeves on Fri May 16, 2008 at 10:23:23 AM EST

Obama also didn't give a speech after Mississippi (2.00 / 8)

which he won. Hillary never gave any "unity" sppeches after her many, many losses. One more phoney issue.

by DSloth on Fri May 16, 2008 at 10:24:24 AM EST

Re: Wake up! (1.00 / 2)

The issue at hand is Obama's ignorance and neglect for the voters of West Virginia, well guess what, they told him where to go, same will occur in Kentucky. Wow, some "presumptive nominee" we have, his strategy is to win by losing, and then hope that all the supers jump on his bandwagon. HA!

Steven Shaman Publisher Skywatch-Media News

by steve468 on Fri May 16, 2008 at 10:30:00 AM EST
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Re: Wake up! (none / 0)

Dude, seriously. You're just making yourself look bad. Channel Mark Twain, here, is my advice.

Hooray for John McCain!

by ragekage on Fri May 16, 2008 at 01:55:18 PM EST
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This is snark, right? (none / 0)

It has to be. My faith in humanity is too strong to believe that someone could actually think this is all that relevant.

Obama 2008!

by lollydee on Fri May 16, 2008 at 02:08:19 PM EST
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Re: Why is Obama a 'Sore Loser'? (2.00 / 6)

How many times did Hillary Clinton ignore Obamas victories in her speeches when he was running up his 10+ streak of victories?

And superdelegames have been moving to Obama since WV at about 5-10 per day...whose sitting on the sidelines?

by FlashStash on Fri May 16, 2008 at 10:24:39 AM EST

Re: Why is Obama a 'Sore Loser'? (1.87 / 8)

What kind of garbage diary is this? Karl Rove? Really?

by Bobby Obama on Fri May 16, 2008 at 10:24:42 AM EST

Re: Why is Obama a 'Sore Loser'? (2.00 / 2)

I agree with the others. Utilizing Fox News and Karl Rove as a 'credible source' is stretching quite a bit.

Do any Hillary supporters honestly believe that he's not taking glee from some of this mess and perpetuating it?

Some of you are just falling for his bait.

AnnMarie

by wiscogirl101 on Fri May 16, 2008 at 10:29:41 AM EST

Re: Why is Obama a 'Sore Loser'? (2.00 / 7)

When Obama went on his winning streak, there were nights when Hillary did not acknowledge MULTIPLE Obama victories on the same night.

I recall at those times hearing that Hillary personally called Obama to congratulate him, JUST AS Obama personally called her to congratulate her on West Virginia. What's good for the goose is good for the gander, my friend.

I like baked beans.

by SpideyDem on Fri May 16, 2008 at 10:30:02 AM EST

Re: Why is Obama a 'Sore Loser'? (2.00 / 5)

Yes, but those were in states that don't matter, whereas WV is the mostest important state ever, because of its 271 electoral votes.

(note to WV residents - my snark is at those who engage in hyperbole, not in any way to insult your beautiful state. There's legitimate math that loses my state, too.)

John McCain

by Mandoliniment on Fri May 16, 2008 at 10:37:06 AM EST
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Re: Why is Obama a 'Sore Loser'? (2.00 / 1)

Clinton is the sore loser. She just won't accept it no matter what.

by dogman on Fri May 16, 2008 at 10:31:48 AM EST

Re: Why is Obama a 'Sore Loser'? (2.00 / 2)

Shades of Hillary Clinton after Wisconsin, no?

I might have the state wrong (might have been the Potomac primary) - but I seem to recall a lopsided primary loss where Hillary did the same thing, and instead -- sent Bill out to deliver a speech on election night after the race was called that gave nary a mention of the results.

Sooo.... were they both "sore losers"? Or were neither of them sore losers - and simply doing tactically what a candidate does after a tough loss?

It's got to be one or the other -- unless you're advocating for a double standard.

by zonk on Fri May 16, 2008 at 10:32:19 AM EST

Re: Why is Obama a 'Sore Loser'? (none / 0)

OK - this was after Mississippi, but that's not the contest I was thinking of.

I distinctly remember an earlier primary where Hillary didn't even speak afterwards. The networks gave their allotted time to Bill giving a speech at a rally.

by zonk on Fri May 16, 2008 at 10:34:39 AM EST
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Re: Why is Obama a 'Sore Loser'? (2.00 / 1)

I distinctly remember an earlier primary where Hillary didn't even speak afterwards. The networks gave their allotted time to Bill giving a speech at a rally.

That was South Carolina. Bill stayed in South Carolina and gave a speech, and then Hillary gave a speech later in Tennessee.

by RP McMurphy on Fri May 16, 2008 at 10:40:58 AM EST
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Re: Why is Obama a 'Sore Loser'? (none / 0)

OK - that might be right...

I have this recollection of Bill speaking at a rally in Missouri, so SC would have placed it before Super Tuesday.

by zonk on Fri May 16, 2008 at 10:42:47 AM EST
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Re: Why is Obama a 'Sore Loser'? (none / 0)

Let's see what Obama does next Tuesday, since Kentucky will be called long before Oregon. Let's see if he mentions Kentucky, or gives credit where credit is due, and vice versa.

Steven Shaman Publisher Skywatch-Media News

by steve468 on Fri May 16, 2008 at 10:34:47 AM EST
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Re: Why is Obama a 'Sore Loser'? (none / 0)

In all probability, Oregon and Kentucky will both be instant calls. Obama will win Oregon by at least what he won North Carolina by.

I like baked beans.

by SpideyDem on Fri May 16, 2008 at 10:39:38 AM EST
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Re: Why is Obama a 'Sore Loser'? (none / 0)

Oregon doesn't start counting ballots until 8:00 PDT so it will be the next day before the results are in.

No longer a Democrat, now proudly an independent voter!

by Ga6thDem on Fri May 16, 2008 at 01:43:38 PM EST
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Re: Why is Obama a 'Sore Loser'? (none / 0)

I don't understand what that has to do with my point...

On at least one occasion - I'm virtually positive that I'm missing another - Hillary Clinton did the exact same thing.

Why does it make Obama a "sore loser" - but not Clinton?

by zonk on Fri May 16, 2008 at 10:40:02 AM EST
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get a life (none / 0)

"Let's see what Obama does next Tuesday, since Kentucky will be called long before Oregon. Let's see if he mentions Kentucky, or gives credit where credit is due, and vice versa."

ok Steve if Obama does congratulate senator Clinton on her Kentucky win will you write a diary praising him for not being a sore loser ?
or are you going to find something else to bitch about and write a god awful douche chill inducing Diary wining about something so small you are the only one in the country that noticed?

PUMA: Particularly Undeveloped Mental Ability

by wellinformed on Fri May 16, 2008 at 10:53:50 AM EST
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Re: Why is Obama a 'Sore Loser'? (2.00 / 1)

To my recollection it was all of the above. Barack's victories in DC/VA/MD and HI/WI, and probably more that I am not immediately recollecting, were met with radio silence from Hillary (at least publicly). This was the first time I've heard Barack not publicly congratulate Hillary on a victory. The diarist is not interested in fairness.

I like baked beans.

by SpideyDem on Fri May 16, 2008 at 10:38:02 AM EST
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Re: Why is Obama a 'Sore Loser'? (none / 0)

Whether or not Hillary did the same thing in previous primary or caucus nights is completely irrelevant. Those states did not matter, as they were small, had too many black people, too few black people, voted on a Tuesday, or were too obsessed with their lattes to care about Hillary's concession speech.

by travelerkaty on Fri May 16, 2008 at 02:01:31 PM EST
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Re: Why is Obama a 'Sore Loser'? (2.00 / 6)

You're kidding, right? Can I refresh your memory on something here...

February 12: Potomac Primary. In Clinton's speech, she offers no congratulations or acknowledgement of Obama's victories.

February 19: Wisconsin Primary. In Clinton's speech, she offers no congratulations or acknowledgement of Obama's victories.

March 4: Mini-Tuesday. In Clinton's speech, she offers no congratulations or acknowledgement of Obama's victory in VT.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but after Super Tuesday, Senator Clinton did not even recognize any victory by Obama in a vote-night address until May 6. In every single case where he has had an address on a voting night, he has both congratulated her on her victories and commended her for running a strong campaign.

This argument you're trying to push is empty at best.

by Rorgg on Fri May 16, 2008 at 10:34:29 AM EST

Send this to the SDs! (2.00 / 3)

Be sure to include lots of praise for Karl Rove. The SDs like it when you praise him and tear down our nominee.

should we go outside? / should we break some bread? / are you'nterested?

by Firewall on Fri May 16, 2008 at 10:34:51 AM EST

I recall the string of wins in February (2.00 / 2)

and not one mention of Barack's win or a concession in Hillary Clinton's speeches.

You can't be a sore loser when you're the winner. He's already the winner. Get over it already.

by The Distillery on Fri May 16, 2008 at 10:36:07 AM EST

Re: I recall the string of wins in February (none / 0)

A winner? The race isn't over. Your presuming he is the winner. But there are many surprises in this election and more to come in the next few weeks.

Steven Shaman Publisher Skywatch-Media News

by steve468 on Fri May 16, 2008 at 10:38:02 AM EST
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Re: I recall the string of wins in February (2.00 / 1)

Surprises like John Edwards coming off the fence for Obama, or surprises like 30 more days of 5+ superdelegate endorsements for Obama?

Or the surprise-which-won't-really-be-a-surpris e-but-will-be-welcome of Hillary conceding the nomination?

should we go outside? / should we break some bread? / are you'nterested?

by Firewall on Fri May 16, 2008 at 10:45:01 AM EST
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Re: I recall the string of wins in February (none / 0)

I don't see her conceding, but she will suspend.

by The Distillery on Fri May 16, 2008 at 11:25:44 AM EST
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Re: Why is Obama a 'Sore Loser'? (none / 0)

Your argument about SDs makes sense. They're really pouring out for HRC in the last few days.

by sasatlanta on Fri May 16, 2008 at 10:38:15 AM EST

Re: Why is Obama a 'Sore Loser'? (none / 0)

You don't understand the Clinton strategy do you? They are holding out their supers until after June 1, that is why your only seeing a trickling of supers towards Obama at the moment. These were delegates that were going to support him anyway. Like I said, there will be many surprises in the next few weeks.

Steven Shaman Publisher Skywatch-Media News

by steve468 on Fri May 16, 2008 at 10:45:21 AM EST
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Re: Why is Obama a 'Sore Loser'? (2.00 / 4)

Yes, and Tupac is coming back in seven years when the stars align.

Face it, bro, the dream is dead. Clinton's got no cache of superdelegates; if she had, she'd have released them after WV, during those weeks when she lost 12 states in a row, after she won PA...

The only surprise left will be how long it takes for Clinton to concede.

should we go outside? / should we break some bread? / are you'nterested?

by Firewall on Fri May 16, 2008 at 10:48:58 AM EST
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Re: Why is Obama a 'Sore Loser'? (2.00 / 1)

You, my dear sir or madam, are freakin hilarious. :)

by The Distillery on Fri May 16, 2008 at 11:27:41 AM EST
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Re: Why is Obama a 'Sore Loser'? (none / 0)

Hehe, thanks! I'm a guy (damn gender neutral username)...

should we go outside? / should we break some bread? / are you'nterested?

by Firewall on Fri May 16, 2008 at 01:57:41 PM EST
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Re: Why is Obama a 'Sore Loser'? (none / 0)

The only thing that will surprise me is if Hillary supporters start becoming as classy as she has been over the last week or so.

If this diary is any indication, I'm not holding my breath.

Users who are excessively bashing the Democratic Party, or being Republican trolls, will be banned.

by Massadonious on Fri May 16, 2008 at 10:49:18 AM EST
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Re: Why is Obama a 'Sore Loser'? (2.00 / 2)

Most Hillary supporters are classy (my mother and sister among them), as are most Barack supporters. They just don't blog that much.

by sasatlanta on Fri May 16, 2008 at 10:52:00 AM EST
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Re: Why is Obama a 'Sore Loser'? (2.00 / 5)

Ah, I had missed it up to this point!

You're either a Republican who's fucking with us, or just some other random schmuck who's fucking with us!

Great.

by Reaper0Bot0 on Fri May 16, 2008 at 10:51:01 AM EST
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Re: Why is Obama a 'Sore Loser'? (2.00 / 1)

Ah, I had missed it up to this point!

You're either a Republican who's fucking with us, or just some other random schmuck who's fucking with us!

Great.

Yeah, that's sort what I'm thinking too. Steve's last comment about Hillary not releasing her mountain of secret superdelegates until June 1st seems a bit too delusional for an actual Clinton supporter.

by RP McMurphy on Fri May 16, 2008 at 11:03:33 AM EST
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Re: Why is Obama a 'Sore Loser'? (none / 0)

Have you been to HI44? Granted, I know there's a team of people who are on there to cause trouble, but there are serious people there.

Hooray for John McCain!

by ragekage on Fri May 16, 2008 at 02:03:15 PM EST
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Re: Why is Obama a 'Sore Loser'? (none / 0)

I completely agree - I've become increasingly convinced that many of the most vociferous Hillary supporters are Republican trolls. Some are true believers, but nobody could be as delusional as this diarist. I mean seriously, Hillary's waiting until everyone pounds the last nail into her campaign coffin until she unloads her floods of delegates? Not to mention Steve's lovely "many expected" and "some suggest" construction, backed up by a clip of Karl Rove on Fox. Very convincing, steve! Many believe you're a Democrat, but I'll wait to see if there's any evidence of it.

by travelerkaty on Fri May 16, 2008 at 02:10:31 PM EST
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Re: Why is Obama a 'Sore Loser'? (2.00 / 1)

You do realize that the current "trickle" of 4 per day (slightly better since May 6, actually) will numerically clinch the nomination for him by June 3, even if Florida and Michigan are fully seated, right?

by Rorgg on Fri May 16, 2008 at 10:52:13 AM EST
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Re: Why is Obama a 'Sore Loser'? (2.00 / 1)

That's an awesome strategy...wait until after the primaries are all over and Obama has a permanent lead in states won, pledged delegates and popular vote, and the media has already moved on to the general election, and then roll out the handful of supers you have on reserve!

Utterly brilliant stuff, steve.

(Although, if that "strategy" were actually true I think that might cement her campaign's status as one of the worst-run in recent memory.)

by Johnny Gentle Famous Crooner on Fri May 16, 2008 at 10:54:18 AM EST
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Re: Why is Obama a 'Sore Loser'? (none / 0)

"You don't understand the Clinton strategy do you? They are holding out their supers until after June 1, that is why your only seeing a trickling of supers towards Obama at the moment. These were delegates that were going to support him anyway. Like I said, there will be many surprises in the next few weeks. "

ok fuck it !!I don't care if I am banned I have to call you out on your BULLSHIT You are not a political strategist!!! you are not a reporter that has the inside scoop on the Hillary Camp you are no fucking psychic !!
SO HOW THE FUCK DO YOU KNOW CLINTONS STRATEGY??!!!
BECAUSE OF KNOW NOTHING IDIOTS LIKE YOU AND MARK PENN HILLARY IS LOSING AND HAS NO SHOT AT WINNING

WHY THE FUCK WOULD THE SUPERS WAIT TO ENDORSE HRC AFTER JUNE 1ST???!!!

PUMA: Particularly Undeveloped Mental Ability

by wellinformed on Fri May 16, 2008 at 11:07:33 AM EST
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You don't understand the Clinton strategy do you? (none / 0)

Lemme guess...

It's performance art shall lead the way, right?

Did I guess right?

by zonk on Fri May 16, 2008 at 01:57:58 PM EST
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Re: Why is Obama a 'Sore Loser'? (none / 0)

Will we have to be wearing a tin foil hat to observe these " surprises" or will they be exclusives on the UFO skywatch media network?

"In the primary you should vote with your heart, but in the general, you should vote with your head" Bill Clinton

by venician on Fri May 16, 2008 at 02:34:11 PM EST
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You must have missed it. . . (2.00 / 1)

Obama conceded West Virginia in a speech before the polls closed. He congratulated Hillary for a hard fight and then personally congratulated her later on the phone (although he only got her voice mail).

Secondly, to call Obama out for not doing something that he actually did after Hillary's deafening silence after both Wisconsin and the Potomac primaries is a bit disingenuous.

by shalca on Fri May 16, 2008 at 10:38:40 AM EST

Re: You must have missed it. . . (none / 0)

OH! and where is the link or video that shows a concession speech. I hope your not referring to the economy speech he gave long before the polls closed in WV.

Steven Shaman Publisher Skywatch-Media News

by steve468 on Fri May 16, 2008 at 10:42:09 AM EST
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Re: You must have missed it. . . (none / 0)

Could you possibly not be convinced that your diary is hypocritical? WOW, truly amazing.

I like baked beans.

by SpideyDem on Fri May 16, 2008 at 10:51:48 AM EST
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a better standard (none / 0)

as to which candidate is really thinking about every state, may be to see which one actually campaigned nationwide versus which campaign thought the only states that mattered were the ones that voted on super tuesday.

by highgrade on Fri May 16, 2008 at 10:43:57 AM EST

Re: a better standard (1.33 / 3)

Your talking about caucus states. Got some bad news for you, there will be no caucuses in the GE! What does that equate to for your math figures, let me spell it out for you: GE=Obama Loss

Steven Shaman Publisher Skywatch-Media News

by steve468 on Fri May 16, 2008 at 10:47:46 AM EST
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Re: a better standard (2.00 / 1)

You do realize that she has lost primaries as well, don't you?

In fact, she is currently losing the nomination. Nash your teeth and curse the sky all you like, she is losing.

Looking forward to working with everyone come late June.

by IowaMike on Fri May 16, 2008 at 10:52:46 AM EST
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Dude, look in the mirror (2.00 / 3)

and you'll find an actual 'sore loser.'

Seriously, the petty attacks get more silly with each passing day.

by Slim Tyranny on Fri May 16, 2008 at 10:46:23 AM EST

Re: Why is Obama a 'Sore Loser'? (2.00 / 1)

You know what, there is absolutely nothing redeeming about this diary and the person who posted it. It ought to be rated as 'troll' if thats possible

The truth is that is something Hillary was guilty of earlier on as well, not congratulating Obama on a few of his wins.

But the issue is so petty and utilizing Karl Rove as a 'credible source' is laughable and absurd.

No real Democrat who is honest with themselves would ever use him as a credible source.

AnnMarie

by wiscogirl101 on Fri May 16, 2008 at 10:50:12 AM EST

Win he loses KY big.... (2.00 / 2)

he will win Oregon big the same night. They will have exit polling comparing working class Appalachia to the rest of working class America, and Appalachia will be shamed.

BTW, he is only the "loser" if he is losing the nomination. I guess you can try to ignore the 30+ states and his 17+ states where he won by 30+ points of you want to, or try and justify it in anyway you like, she won the third quarter, but you can't be the loser if you are winning the game.

by IowaMike on Fri May 16, 2008 at 10:50:24 AM EST

Re: Win he loses KY big.... (2.00 / 1)

Everytime someone says Hillary'll win KY, I shudder. Is that bad? Am I going to hell?

Hooray for John McCain!

by ragekage on Fri May 16, 2008 at 02:05:14 PM EST
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Re: Why is Obama a 'Sore Loser'? (2.00 / 1)

So, Karl Rove is now your trusted source about character? Wow! When will this end? Can some of you Hillary fans please just to the other side and get it over with?

by ETHIOLIB on Fri May 16, 2008 at 10:52:19 AM EST

Re: Why is Obama a 'Sore Loser'? (2.00 / 1)

Divisive junk. Seriously, the outrage machine just doesn't have much gas in the tank any more.

by rfahey22 on Fri May 16, 2008 at 10:52:50 AM EST

And to calm your fears about next week... (2.00 / 1)

He will give a speech after Kentucky & Oregon. I guarantee it. I'm also pretty sure he'll praise Sen. Clinton up and down, and I'm also pretty sure you're going to HATE that speech.

John McCain supports privatizing Social Security.

by Travis Stark on Fri May 16, 2008 at 10:53:18 AM EST

Just the facts (2.00 / 2)

If 1/5 of a state's population say race is a deciding factor in their vote and 80% vote for Sen. Clinton, what could Obama do to change those votes?

I'm not saying all folks from WV are racist, they are not, I know many. I live on Rt. 70 (outside Columbus OH), 80 miles west of the WV border and go there often going to WVU games. I have met many wonderful people from that state. That being said, 20% is not a number I am making up, that's what they said when asked. For some who do not know history, Robert Byrd the 9 term US Senator from WV was previously the Grand Cyclops of the Klan. WV is a state where even though overt racism is not widely practiced it is accepted.

IMHO Sen. Obama could have spent a month of Sundays there and still lost by 30pts. This does not mean anything other than I agree with Sen. Clinton, he's not strong with this demographic. WV is as highly concentrated a group of the people she describes as anywhere in the country other than Arkansas.

Every candidate has a demographic group they do worse with than others, it's just a matter of fact.

Poblano of http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/ has done a spectacular of identifying and quantifying this effect. Take a look at the site linked above, he has been the most accurate in projecting PA, IN, NC and third most in WV using demographic data.

"The best way to show that a stick is crooked is not by arguing about it or spending time denouncing it, but to lay a straight stick alongside it" -DL Moody

by nextgen on Fri May 16, 2008 at 10:54:08 AM EST

Re: Just the facts (2.00 / 1)

We will be able to compare "hard working americans" in Oregon and KY on Tuesday, and see how much Appalachia differs from the rest of the US.

Oregon will be a Obama win, and it is bigger than the rest of the states left, including WV.

by IowaMike on Fri May 16, 2008 at 10:58:11 AM EST
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Re: Just the facts (none / 0)

Understood

I was just making the point that each candidate will have places they do better than others and no one should make too much of that fact.

Despite his national approval rating in the mid 20% there are probably states George Bush could still win today.

WV is no more important that VA, PA is no more important than IL ect..ect.. ect..

"The best way to show that a stick is crooked is not by arguing about it or spending time denouncing it, but to lay a straight stick alongside it" -DL Moody

by nextgen on Fri May 16, 2008 at 11:03:47 AM EST
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Re: Just the facts (none / 0)

I'm a Virginian. Don't even get me started on WV. ;)

Hooray for John McCain!

by ragekage on Fri May 16, 2008 at 02:06:56 PM EST
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Re: Why is Obama a 'Sore Loser'? (none / 0)

I chose... "No, West Virginia doesn't matter."

I think it should have read this way; "No, West Virginia doesn't matter to Obama"

by soyousay on Fri May 16, 2008 at 10:54:10 AM EST

Re: Why is Obama a 'Sore Loser'? (2.00 / 1)

"It is highly unlikely we will win Alaska or North Dakota or Idaho or Nebraska," she said, naming several of Obama's red state wins. - HRC

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/200 8/02/11/clinton-dismisses-weekend-losses /

If Obama's red state wins don't matter, then neither does Hillary's.

Users who are excessively bashing the Democratic Party, or being Republican trolls, will be banned.

by Massadonious on Fri May 16, 2008 at 10:59:06 AM EST
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Re: Why is Obama a 'Sore Loser'? (none / 0)

Heh, who said that "Obama's red state wins" don't matter? I'm saying that when it comes to WV, Obama's actions read like this; WV doesn't matter.

by soyousay on Fri May 16, 2008 at 11:07:12 AM EST
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Re: Why is Obama a 'Sore Loser'? (2.00 / 1)

I'm saying that when it comes to WV, Obama's actions read like this; WV doesn't matter.

Well, at least he didn't say so emphatically. Some of us in the small, caucus, red, and boutique states learned that we didn't matter straight from the horses' mouth.

by RP McMurphy on Fri May 16, 2008 at 11:34:22 AM EST
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Re: Why is Obama a 'Sore Loser'? (1.16 / 6)

Even Donna Brazile, his rabid promoter's comments, that they don't need the base of the Democratic Party, "it's a NEW Democratic Coalition". But she forgot Hillary's largest base in her denouncing of the base supporters not voting for Obama, WOMEN. I guess that was too hard for her to say he didn't need, even she knew that writes off the majority of the population.

by LindaSFNM on Fri May 16, 2008 at 11:04:05 AM EST

Re: Why is Obama a 'Sore Loser'? (2.00 / 4)

So intellectually dishonest I don't even know where to start.

I CAN HAZ BAHROCK DONASCHON?

by kasjogren on Fri May 16, 2008 at 11:09:43 AM EST
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Re: Why is Obama a 'Sore Loser'? (2.00 / 1)

I think you should send that picture to superdelegates while threatening to leave the party if they don't vote for Clinton. The one thing party leaders are fond of are right wing comics that trash our nominee!

should we go outside? / should we break some bread? / are you'nterested?

by Firewall on Fri May 16, 2008 at 11:09:49 AM EST
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Re: Why is Obama a 'Sore Loser'? (2.00 / 2)

After Tuesday, we can compare exit polling from "hard working Americans" in Oregon, and from Appalachia, and we will see how much different they are.

by IowaMike on Fri May 16, 2008 at 11:15:25 AM EST
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Re: Why is Obama a 'Sore Loser'? (none / 0)

Am I not hard-working because I support Obama?

Hooray for John McCain!

by ragekage on Fri May 16, 2008 at 02:08:08 PM EST
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Let me see (none / 0)

of the characters on the list I could definately fit in with the farmer as i go home to help with the farm on the weekends, unless your saying a 600 acre corn and soybean farm with 80 acres of sugar beatt isn't a a real farm and if that is the case I'd like a definition of a real farm. I worked in a group home for the mentally ill for 2 summers while i was at school where I had to dispense medicine, which means I am kind of like the nurse.

I grew up in a county with 12000 people in it on a farm I guess I am not rural enough for you, maybe the guy who is the only resident of his township in Montana is.

Student Guy=JoeMentum. No really Student Guy=JoeMentum, after all JoeMentum was an embarrassment so is Student Guy. This sig is FAIL!!

by Student Guy on Fri May 16, 2008 at 02:24:45 PM EST
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Re: Why is Obama a 'Sore Loser'? (2.00 / 1)

Some pundits and political commentators are now suggesting that Obama looked like a 'Sore loser' the other evening after his landslide loss to Hillary in West Virginia.

Which ones? Name one and cite and link? No, Alegra doesn't count.

Many news agencies expected Obama to at least make a short speech to congratulate Hillary and to emphasize the need for unity in the party.

No they didn't. Every news outlet knew he wasn't planning on giving a speech.

Now I have never been a fan of Karl Rove, who is now an analyst for Fox News, but he makes some very credible comments about Barack Obama regarding his weaknesses and character. It is no wonder why superdelegates are still sitting on the fence, many have some serious reservations about Obama

First you start off with a straw man, then you lie about the arguement, and finish off fawning over Karl Rove.

3 strikes, you're out bub.

I CAN HAZ BAHROCK DONASCHON?

by kasjogren on Fri May 16, 2008 at 11:08:59 AM EST

I think you have a typo in your title (none / 0)